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                    WELCOME DnA ADDICTS to JACKEL's CORNER

           This forum is open to those whose interests touch on the weekness,
        as well as those who wish to protect all from evil. This Forum will
        also be your access to the people who make it happen. We look forward
        to interviews with the entire NuKE Staff, the people at Phal/Skis, Y.A.
        Mcafee, ect.  I also hope to draw the interest of those in the A.V
        sector; Dr.Solly, ect. Rebutal is only fair. There will be no FLAMMING,
        just the FACTS.
       I can be reached by E-Mail at "DIGITAL DECAY." If you don't have the
        number, you can reach me on NuKE Net / NuKE the WoRLd; otherwise,
        download the latest copy of the "CRYPTLTR (Crypt News Letter), I
        believe that #18 is the latest issue.

    This Months "FEATURED WRITER"   is   "ROCK STEADY" of "NuKE"


<J> HI <!>ROCK STEADY , this is Jackel<George>. I want to thank you
for taking thetime to do this interview with me. I know your busy and
I have my questions here, so if you like we can get started.

<RS> Sure, no problem.

<J>  In my last interview with ARiSToTLe, I felt that it was important
to show the difference between how you are perceived, and who you really
are. Lets go back in time, back to when you first realized the ultimate
entertinment was the "computer."



<RS> The wonder years, ahh... Let me see... Ahh yes, as a young lad, I remember
a keen sense towards, `getting away with things', I always got a kick in doing
things others found either difficult or just couldn't do. And then, I saw it,
it was the perfect movie, based on my type of personality. The stunning movie,
was `Wargames' which was a thrilling 1984 movie. I watched with eyes glued to
the screen. I then knew, I would _never_ truely rest until, I would be amazing
on a computer. I had to master it, if you may say so, and I did, to the point
whereby I'm almost lethally armed when with a computer. I'll never forget that
first PC, I got it that same year, after begging mommy & daddy, that I'd be a
`good little boy.' Yeah, I was armed with a 8MHz XT, 640k ram, with two flop-
pies, and a truely amazing CGA monochrome monitor, and a mighty powerful
1200 modem.

 The task wasn't easy, like everyone, I didn't know where to start, who to ask
or what to do. Then in 1986, the scare began, (C) Brain virus hit the news-
papers. A computer virus, how gullable I was, I ate up the newspaper reports
like you wouldn't believe.

<J>  I remember that, yes, very well. The scare of the Computer Virus was
echoed around the world.

<RS> Yes and I warshipped The Computer Virus. It was almost human to myself,
imagine a piece of code, able to live, move, reproduce, make decisions, etc. It
was almost biological. Man has been trying to `build' androids like ourselves
for decades now, and here was another successful attempt!

<J>  Ok,,I see the 'plot' thickens here. So,,, what did you do?

<RS> I knew then I had to learn, machine language, and I bought a book on the
topic. And hence forward I had opened the gates for my everlasting conquest
for infomation.

<J>  ...And the rest is history. So tell me about your views on the so called
underground 'groups.'  Did you cross paths with any of the so called 'WareZ'
junkies

<RS> My opinion on `Groups?' I was never fond of them. I always found groups to
be more like "klubs" where childish kids hang-out, and hanging tough. Groups
waste _so_ much constructive time, fighting for turf, I know, I did it for a
while. I spent more time, fighting, picking fights, not only verbally, but
at times Darkman and I with POD would bounce over to a kids home and
`get respect' because he might of said something stoopid towards us. Frankly
we almost got shot once, when the kid's older brother comes out with a
12 gauge shot gun. We were lucky I guess, because Darkman was crazy as fuck!
Nothing scared Darkman, nothing. (Darkman and POD were two buddies I started
with to get into the `Hacker' world.)

<J> So you say that 'groups' are where kids converge to create havok and
and that there actions consist of 'hanging tough and acting childish. Some
would consider this 'gang' activity..I have never percieved NuKE this way,
what makes NuKE different?

<RS> Groups=gangs. But the actual organization of pooling 'our' knowledge into
one, and getting in contact with people from all parts of the world is what
has benefited NuKE. You can refer to us as an organization, rather than a
`group'.

<J>  Well put,,go on.

<RS> And the general `activities' of groups, are usually distructful. I spent
lots of time, phreaking round the globe, and hacking. I could have used that
time on more constructive work, nevertheless, I'd have missed out on a hole
shit-load of fun. Which I'm glad I didn't. But it seems to be a stage of
life one goes thru, unfontunately it clashes with the rest of society.

<J>  What you perceive as the rest of society, is slowly changing their
outlook on shared virus research. Sadly, until then, many will be the target
of needless abuse. You have been the target on several occastions the year
already, this must upset you !

<RS> I don't get affended anymore. Maybe in 1991, I'd have bounce to your place
and `teach yeah respect', but that was a hormone thing. So if you mean getting
upset on personally directed hate mail, No it doesn't affect me. As a matter
of fact I don't recommend it either, as it will only make me continue doing
what I do, simply because it bugs the hell outta yeah.

<J>  Come on RocK, I know better. You have a quick wit, and an even quicker
tongue. I've seen you trash (with eloquence) a  user for a mindless post.

<RS> Ok, then again, I tend to get upset, at all the lies out there. I have
waged a war based on political ethnics, and I won't stop till the last NuKEr
falls. See NuKE has been publicly hated because of our backgrounds and doings.
     The AV and legislating bodies see two things. The fir$t focu$ i$ to get
mo'mony! The second, is that we (NuKE and alike) poss a threat to them, and
getting rid of us would be like a dream come true. Imagine a car maker selling
you a car, and right behind you, there's a few NuKErs showing you hardcore
proof that this car is known to blow-up at a certain speed. Now, you wouldn't
want to buy that car, would you? Nor do you wish to be `lied' to about its
faultiness.


<J>   Where does that acting body of NuKE have planed for 1994 and beyond?

<RS>  The future of NuKE? I wish for it to be more of a political statue, on
infomation. I know my background isn't `holy' I never said it was. But I will
be honest to you about it, and whatever is happening in this choas Cyberspace
we call home. NuKE perhaps wishes to educate people, of not falling into a
technology trance. I could sit here 'n babble till my fingers drop, but I find
it difficult to predict NuKE's future. I really don't know what is to happen.
      See I'm not fully awear of the public's overlook on NuKE.

<J>   Well for one, I can tell you that in California, NuKE is well respected.

<RS>  Good, and I can tell you this, we have a table of talented people here,
extremely talented folks. Perhaps our backgrounds, that are looked upon as
being `evil' can be our best traits! Who do you want your security software
consultant coming from? The multi-million dollar slick Jack, that has no idea
what the most important issues of computer security is. Or a talented individual that
has an ability to gulp vast sizes of information and cut through the chase
in what a security package should consists of, as he has seen the flaws of the
competitors' package?

<RS>  I leave it up to the people, and that if we are given a fair chance, we
will come out shining. Not only morally and ethnically, but legally too.

<J>    Take your alltime favorite Virus and tell us how it works
       and why you find it unusual...

<RS>  Ahh, so many viruses come to mind. The fact of the matter is that there is only
a hand-full of viruses out there, that are really good. I judge them as my
favourite viruses by the amount of reseach has been put into creating it. And
also in its ability to tamper with new ideas. Such viruses are like DIR-][,
SVC, Tremor, Cheeba, ExeBug...

<RS>  Each tamper with features that were once unique when they were found. I
cannot begin to explain these viruses, or many others that don't come to mind
just yet, but I find them remarkable nevertheless. But to take one virus, it
would have to be DIR-][, as it stumbled _so_ many people. A fast lecture, of
one of the most interesting parts, was that this virus didn't use any DOS
Interrupts to call it. Normally the executable program calls the virus, which
makes the virus call DOS, but DIR-][ goes in such a way that it makes DOS call
it. It goes to a much lower plat-form. I found that to be amazing, believe it
or not, this feature stumbled _so_ many people. Not many people even know NOW
that DIR-][ doesn't hook any interrupts, but acts more as a device driver. I
think those at McAfee may learn something by reading this paragraph. Who knows,
maybe Patty Hoffman will update her DIR-][ description now?

<RS>  Again, its the originalty of the virus that strikes me. Doing things
never done before, or making some AV products look like an ass, like I did with
TBClean. I have no intention of distruction, but for the technology advancement
of viruses and computer security.

<J>   Thank you Rock Steady, it has been a pleasure.


    Ok,, well,, Like I have said all along, NuKE represents themselves
with honest, straight forward answers. Their ideology rests on the an inherent
belief passed down from generation to generation.

    You can fool 'some' of the people all the time
    You can fool 'all'  of the people some of the time
    But you CAN'T fool 'all' the people, 'all' the time.

    Next issue, We will talk with a fellow who is nowhere to be found :)

            Till then,,
                    Scan everything !  ıÖcKäL

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              download a copy of Cryptinfo Journal #17 or 18,, for our #.<J>

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